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    I already expressed my love for the Robin/Brook part the chapter in the spoiler thread and I am too lazy to repeat it

    That's the only new thing to discuss for me. I'm not highlighting that as a big problem but more that the right translation could hint that big things could happen for the duo (and not just Zoro) in the story that would really set the 2 apart from the rest of the crew. I'm hyped for that.

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    I read this chapter and more than ever i fail t wrap my head around why this wasn't the standard one piece for the last 10 years.
    It's small things, just few pages of battles that won't really matter in the big picture, in a conflict almost none of the Strawhats have a real connection to... and yet as soon as you let them be charachters and cash in on the setup built for them in the first half of the story, the result is absolutely charming.
    It's not even the fight itself, which is fun nonetheless. It's just the interaction and the genuine charachter at display.
    Makes me hope Elbaf can still salvage Usopp.
    Curiosity has its own reason for existing

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    Easily one of the better chapters for a while, we get these little moments between the Strawhats so rarely these days, hopefully the proper meat of Robins fight will be just as good and won't be skipped over.

    Although it's a shame that the initial spoilers talk of Brook seeing his old comrades from his soldier days turned out to be false, I wonder if we'll ever find out about his life pre-pirate.

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    It took a while to get to the crew fights for this arc, and a lot of people were worried after Nami's clash with Ulti underperformed, but I think it's safe to say after these past three chapters that it was overall worth the wait. Jinbe, Franky and now Robin's rights have been delightful, each one making the most of a small amount of screentime, showing off all kinds of interesting and creative powers.

    I don't have much to say on the topic of Yamato's fruit. I'm not familiar enough with the different mythologies involved to theorise or speculate better than people who've already talked about it. It really speaks to his strength to go head to head with Kaido like this for so long. I'll be interested to see the colours and animation on the breath attack when the anime gets that far, to see how they distinguish it from the fire moves we've seen before. Hell, will the wreath of fire on his shoulders also be a different colour?

    The hard cut to the illusion move is a strange one. It never gets explained how Black Maria managed this - is it her fruit or something inherent to her, like the illusions sometimes seen alongside Brook's music? How did she know to make figures from Robin's past, or is the illusion more hallucinatory in nature, and Robin filled in the gaps herself? It's also the second time a fake revival has been used in this battle, but at least this one wasn't an end-of-chapter cliffhanger. Foreshadowing for visions of the dead at the end of the festival in the Capital, perhaps?

    Oh well, I still enjoyed Robin's to-the-point handling of it and the bonding moment with Brook it created.

    Tenjo Kudari finally becoming a named character means my Where's Wally guide is out of date already. Thanks a lot, Oda.

    I'm looking forward to the seedy SBS question that asks where Black Maria found the time to cover her chest in the middle of a fight. Snapping a bra on would be one thing, but wrapping it up like that had to have taken some time. Maybe she used her webs.

    The choreography of this fight is really fun, with both Robin and Black Maria ending up hanging from the roof with the floor burning. It gives the battle a unique verticality, especially with one of them upside down. And what's with Robin's arm in the panel where she first throws out the spider net? It looks like it splits into a bunch of smaller arms instead of having the extra limbs spawn on top of existing skin. Could this be a new application of her power?

    Breaking Brook off on his own at this late stage is an interesting choice, especially with no noteworthy opponent for him to take instead. I did like him using his ability to leave his body offensively. Hope the leftover underlings are enough for him to show more new skills, because he definitely deserves that chance.

    Robin's defence of Sanji was a nice show of Strawhat comradery, but that still doesn't mean I'm happy with Sanji's performance in that scene or the overall direction of his character. People are making a big deal over the possible translations of the wings line but I can't see any way they could have captured every nuance of the Japanese version without being extremely awkward. Plus, there's a much, much funnier translation debate happening in with My Hero Academia this week that's a lot more fun to focus on.

    The giant Robin in the final page of the scene is amazingly cool though, and I can't wait to see what she does with it in the next chapter.

    Absolutely zero shocks in Luffy's scenes as Momo reveals the obvious way he and Shinobu survived their fall and Luffy demands flight, as has been expected for a long time. A necessary step to have on screen, but it can't help feeling very obvious. Caribou's presence is an odd one in the final pages. I have no idea what relevance he could possibly have to what comes next.

    The crew battle portion of the arc is developing really well after a slightly rough start. I assume we're getting the end of Robin and Brook's battles next week, leaving about half the volume for the rest of the fights. I still think there's good odds of Oda trying to wrap up at the very least everything except King and Queen's fights in volume 101 and use most volume 102 to rush toward the conclusion of the battle. It's rough knowing there's another break so close after the next chapter but the story feels like it's got enough momentum at this point that it won't affect the reading experience too much. Sometimes these periods with break after break have a bad way of lining themselves up in the already long-feeling musical chairs and running around sections of their arcs and dragging them down hard.

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    Personally I don't really care about 1v1s. It is Robin's first fight (Yama doesn't count, he is a literal nobody) so I'm a little more invested than I usually am on 1v1s. I still doubt next chapter can surpass the masterpiece that was 1015. The only way next chapter can be better is if it does something interesting with either Robin or with Black Maria's character (like Senor Pink) . I'm not biased on either.
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    Great chapter! Yamato's powers look a lot better this chapter compared to the last one for me, and the two blast breaths colliding and swirling around each other looked really cool. The Robin and Brook bonding was wonderful. I'm so glad them teaming up has resulted in them actually interacting and getting closer, and of course Robin not falling for the illusion was great.

    Black Maria continues to be fantastic, and I'm loving how the fight is going so far. The reveal of how her weapon works was hilarious, and such a classic One Piece thing to do. Loved the clinging to the ceiling, Brook's ice powers coming into play, Robin standing up for Sanji, Brook letting Robin take Black Maria while he takes on the mooks, Robin's awesome-looking new power - great stuff all around. I'm so, so happy that Robin is finally getting her own fight, and even if there's not too much more to it past this chapter, this feels long overdue yet so satisfying to finally see.

    I have to say, after being underwhelmed with how Nami and Ussop's fight went down, I've been very pleased with how the other 1v1s have been going. Jinbe and Franky had really good fights, and Robin looks like she'll have a great one when it's all said and done, as well. If Oda sticks the landing with Sanji vs Queen and (presumably) Zoro vs King, I'll be a very happy camper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfiere View Post
    Makes me hope Elbaf can still salvage Usopp.
    I don't think there's any part of Usopp's character that needs to be salvaged. He just hasn't been receiving enough focus for a while now.
    Him awakening his CoO and taking out Sugar in Dressrosa was great but that's like what, 5 years ago?


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    This was a fun chapter! I liked seeing the fights with Kaido vs. Yamato and Robin/Brook vs. Black Maria and goons. I predict that next chapter we finish this fight with Robin and Black Maria, and then cut to Luffy being back on Onigashima. I think Yamato will be knocked out by the time Luffy gets up there with Momo. And maybe somewhere there the flashback might start as a cliffhanger for the next chapter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deicide View Post
    - Like I pointed out before, I feel Black Maria's hybrid form is a deception. I think she's actually the spider, the human torso is a web-puppet or some other kind of decoy so enemies waste attacks on her. I expect Robin to "finish" her off with a back-breaking clutch, only for the decoy to be revealed and Black Maria assume her real hybrid form.
    Yeah, that would make a lot of sense. And it would explain some things like how she covered up her breasts, etc. My memory is a bit bland, but have we seen any such hybrid forms in the past where it looked half human, half animal? I think currently Black Maria might be the only one? I'm still a little iffy on it, but it can work with how Black Maria has her illusion mist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    The spoiler translation used "He is the one fit to be “The wings of the Pirate King”
    which leaves out the part of the idiom that refers to a pair of individuals.

    Fan translation went with "He's one of the wings that will allow the pirate king to soar"
    but that is clunky as hell and sounds like complete gibberish, unless you've had it explained to you, and even then...

    Since we don't have the phrase, or any real equivalent, it's not instinctive insight for an English audience that "and she's also talking about Zoro."
    Yeah, I think it makes sense since she used the plural of wing, wings, so to me it make sense that Sanji is one of the wings, while Zoro is the other wing, and together they help carry Luffy with said wings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain M View Post
    I'm looking forward to the seedy SBS question that asks where Black Maria found the time to cover her chest in the middle of a fight. Snapping a bra on would be one thing, but wrapping it up like that had to have taken some time. Maybe she used her webs.
    Or it might be what Deicide was stating that the top portion is an illusion, and maybe that's why it was covered up that way. Maybe it's a hint/clue on the top half being an illusion, and the spider being the real Black Maria? I guess we have to see next chapter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starlalilymoon View Post
    Yeah, that would make a lot of sense. And it would explain some things like how she covered up her breasts, etc. My memory is a bit bland, but have we seen any such hybrid forms in the past where it looked half human, half animal? I think currently Black Maria might be the only one? I'm still a little iffy on it, but it can work with how Black Maria has her illusion mist.
    Black Maria is the first to show a transformation like that. I wouldn't mind if it was just the "spider-centaur" appearance, what makes me suspicious is the spider half having its own head. That implies it has some independence, a lot like the SMILE users. But, since her powers is confirmed to be an Akuma no mi, the upper human half being a decoy while Black Maria is actually the spider makes perfect sense. It would also allow for a second reveal of her fruit, showing its true hybrid form.
    My Wano predictions: All Straw Hats will get fights in Wano, but not in Act 3; There will be 5 acts; The Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Yamato will become a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5 to issue a challenge; We are going to Mary Geoise after Wano.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deicide View Post
    Black Maria is the first to show a transformation like that. I wouldn't mind if it was just the "spider-centaur" appearance, what makes me suspicious is the spider half having its own head. That implies it has some independence, a lot like the SMILE users. But, since her powers is confirmed to be an Akuma no mi, the upper human half being a decoy while Black Maria is actually the spider makes perfect sense. It would also allow for a second reveal of her fruit, showing its true hybrid form.
    Yeah, I get it. Like why would they be two faces like a SMILE user when she has an actual devil fruit power? It feels a bit suspicious to me. Sorta like with Cracker and how he had his own decoy form to his real one. Plus, one of Black Maria's powers is the power of illusion, or her illusion mist which gives more credit to the idea that she is having an illusion form. Though the question is, if it is a fake, why is she covering up her true self? Maybe it is because she looks ugly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by starlalilymoon View Post
    Yeah, that would make a lot of sense. And it would explain some things like how she covered up her breasts, etc. My memory is a bit bland, but have we seen any such hybrid forms in the past where it looked half human, half animal? I think currently Black Maria might be the only one? I'm still a little iffy on it, but it can work with how Black Maria has her illusion mist.


    Or it might be what Deicide was stating that the top portion is an illusion, and maybe that's why it was covered up that way. Maybe it's a hint/clue on the top half being an illusion, and the spider being the real Black Maria? I guess we have to see next chapter.
    I don't know about it being an illusion specifically. She's up there swinging Wanyudo around, damaging the environment and lighting fires. Brook would have noticed something if he tried to attack Wanyudo and found nothing there. So there's obviously something physical up on top doing the work, and its physical strength is not insignificant. A web double I could maybe see, but I would have been a lot more receptive to this theory before this chapter came out and we saw her doing so much of the fighting.

    Oda's totally willing to break the Zoan rules when the animal doesn't anthropomorphise easily, or if he has a fun idea for something different. Suppose we say the "normal" hybrid form is like Kaido's, with the animal-patterned arms and clawed human hands, a cowling from the nose up and a tail depending on the creature. Then you've got Chopper, whose huge range of forms has none that fit the hybrid expectations (or a fully transformed space); the Boa sisters, whose presumed hybrid modes include full snake torsos with human arms and breasts; the differences between Pell and Marco, with the latter's hybrid mode looking head-to-toe like a humanoid bird, including avian feet replacing his hands, while the former just has wings replace his arms and a tail out the back; or Kaku, who got full-body fur, hooves on his hands, a long neck and a weirdly cube-like set of shoulders.

    The choice to make Black Maria a spider centaur is not one that stands out to me as a loose end or deliberate hint at something more. I could be wrong of course, but that angle isn't really vibing with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain M View Post
    I don't know about it being an illusion specifically.
    An illusion does not need to be a mind trick. Wanyudo looks like a wheel demon, but it's actually a pug SMILE running a treadmill. Black Maria's human torso being a web puppet counts as an "illusion" in the sense that it's deception. It tricks the opponents so they waste attacks against a false Black Maria, even if that puppet is physically real and wield a real weapon to attack.

    Black Maria having an illusion theme just reinforces the idea that there's something wrong with her hybrid form.

    The choice to make Black Maria a spider centaur is not one that stands out to me as a loose end or deliberate hint at something more. I could be wrong of course, but that angle isn't really vibing with me.
    The problem is Black Maria getting a second head in her hybrid form. That implies independence of the spider half. If she was just a spider-centaur, I'd be way less suspicious, but a second head on the animal half looks like a SMILE, something we know for sure she's not. The fake torso being destroyed, only for Maria to reveal a true hybrid form, would make a lot of sense.
    My Wano predictions: All Straw Hats will get fights in Wano, but not in Act 3; There will be 5 acts; The Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Yamato will become a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5 to issue a challenge; We are going to Mary Geoise after Wano.

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    I can't wait to see Big Mom experience Black Maria's illusion power. After all, they are both BM too. We don't see the full extent of Black Maria's illusion. I bet Big Mom will show it to us. And if it did, this will trigger unprecedent type of tantrum. She might destroy Onigashima and save Wano. If anyone can stop this flying island, it's Big Mom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deicide View Post
    An illusion does not need to be a mind trick. Wanyudo looks like a wheel demon, but it's actually a pug SMILE running a treadmill. Black Maria's human torso being a web puppet counts as an "illusion" in the sense that it's deception. It tricks the opponents so they waste attacks against a false Black Maria, even if that puppet is physically real and wield a real weapon to attack.

    Black Maria having an illusion theme just reinforces the idea that there's something wrong with her hybrid form.



    The problem is Black Maria getting a second head in her hybrid form. That implies independence of the spider half. If she was just a spider-centaur, I'd be way less suspicious, but a second head on the animal half looks like a SMILE, something we know for sure she's not. The fake torso being destroyed, only for Maria to reveal a true hybrid form, would make a lot of sense.
    Not to get nitpicky over terms but the distinction between an illusion and an "illusion" is pretty dang important to keep straight when the character literally has the power to make illusions of people who aren't there.

    I agree that the second face is a bit strange compared to other zoans we've seen, but we know Oda is totally willing and able to change the rules when he wants to have fun with it. I'm not trying to say it definitely won't happen or that it wouldn't be a cool development if it did, but I'm just not convinced it's the only way forward.

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    Didn't see anyone mentioning it in the spoilers, but how awesome it was that the "character boxes" of Black Maria's subordinates were tilted to the side just as Robin punched them?

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    So Stephen explained himself in the podcast and goes with Sanji being one of 2 wings.

    Should have used it from the very start...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deicide View Post
    Black Maria is the first to show a transformation like that. I wouldn't mind if it was just the "spider-centaur" appearance, what makes me suspicious is the spider half having its own head. That implies it has some independence, a lot like the SMILE users. But, since her powers is confirmed to be an Akuma no mi, the upper human half being a decoy while Black Maria is actually the spider makes perfect sense. It would also allow for a second reveal of her fruit, showing its true hybrid form.
    I think the second reveal could be the key here. I can see Who's Who and Sasaki going for a round 2 by having awakened their fruit, but I'm of the opinion that it would be too much if Black Maria is also on that level. That way she can make a "comeback" without being too strong.

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    damn, the spoilers are late for this week ?
    One Piece ,\/,,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buggy D. Clown View Post
    damn, the spoilers are late for this week ?
    Jump comes out one day later than usual so it stands to reason this shift will also affect spoilers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riccardo View Post
    I think the second reveal could be the key here. I can see Who's Who and Sasaki going for a round 2 by having awakened their fruit, but I'm of the opinion that it would be too much if Black Maria is also on that level. That way she can make a "comeback" without being too strong.
    Yeah. I think the will be a Franky vs Sasaki round 2, now with Franky without the Shogun, and a Robin vs Maria round 2, now with Maria's true form.

    I'm not sold on a round 2 for Who's Who vs Jinbe, thought. That fight was so one sided, I feel Jinbe will move to a stronger opponent. Maybe Who's Who gets up but Jinbe is gone, and he then gets in the way of Drake, leaving Apoo free for Brook. Meanwhile, Jinbe ends up fighting a commander-level threat, be it Jack or (my personal bet due to powers and personal issues) a recently-arriving Smoothie.
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    My Wano predictions: All Straw Hats will get fights in Wano, but not in Act 3; There will be 5 acts; The Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Yamato will become a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5 to issue a challenge; We are going to Mary Geoise after Wano.

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