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    Quote Originally Posted by Zik View Post
    The whole Yamato needs to drop the Oden idolizing shtick in order to join or at all as a character in order to grow seems to be something totally fan generated. Might be even a western fan thing cuz I never ger that sort of feedback from friends who are fans living in Japan.

    Not sure anything in the story is pointing to Yamato dropping that. Especially when he has admitted other characters like Luffy can be more "Oden" than him.

    Really seems Oda is just going to continue that as a quirky character trait no different than Sanji's swooning, Brook panty and bone/dead jokes, and Chopper's insult you shyness.
    The reason why it's such a terrible trait is that it's just not believable. Yamatos worship of Oden goes much further than Laws reverence for Corazon whom Law basically lived with and who sacrificed himself in order to save Laws life AND soul.



    YAMATO AND ODEN NEVER EVEN MET!!!

    Sorry, but it's forced and I don't buy it. It's just another way for Oda to enforce the idea that Oden is like, really super duper awesome and Chad. As if he wasn't already overhyped enough.

    That being said, the idea of Kaido having a rebellious kid who looks up to Oden is in itself pretty appealing. It's just taken way too far to the point where it's beyond credible and relatable.
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    The reason why it's such a terrible trait is that it's just not believable. Yamatos worship of Oden goes much further than Laws reverence for Corazon whom Law basically lived with and who sacrificed himself in order to save Laws life AND soul.

    YAMATO AND ODEN NEVER EVEN MET!!!

    Sorry, but it's forced and I don't buy it. It's just another way for Oda to enforce the idea that Oden is like, really super duper awesome and Chad. As if he wasn't already overhyped enough.
    Well, Law wasn’t constantly trapped in one place for more than 20 years of his life under constant antagonism from someone he was unable to overcome. You just have to wonder if Yamato clung onto the hope of carrying on Oden’s will as an attempt to escape negative feelings, similar to Brook clinging onto revisiting Laboon one day after his crew died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electricmastro View Post
    So after the latest chapter, is anyone here at least a little more inclined to feel that Yamato joining alongside Luffy and his journey makes sense for the story?
    It does make a lot of sense. Yamato herself claimed that she will join Luffy, I think that's a huge sign that she will become the next crewmember.

    Quote Originally Posted by DollarScholar View Post
    Will Yamato eventually outgrow his Oden-cosplay or is it a permanent feature of the character? For me that's the most pressing issue as I like the visual design of the character alot but hate the Oden-shtick.
    I have no problem with Yamato's Oden-cosplay thingy, I find it cute and funny; but I do think she will outgrown it as I see it as part of character growth. To me, she be finally accepting that she is Yamato and not Oden. And I'm sure we get many sexy outfits from her after she joins like with Nami and Robin, I doubt she will wear the Oden-like outfit for the rest of the manga.

    It is similar to how Robin wanted to live instead of dying, Nami wanting to join the Strawhats even though they are pirates, etc. Like they outgrown certain traits like Robin being anti-social with the crew or Nami hating pirates. It be the same with Yamato to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DollarScholar View Post
    The reason why it's such a terrible trait is that it's just not believable. Yamatos worship of Oden goes much further than Laws reverence for Corazon whom Law basically lived with and who sacrificed himself in order to save Laws life AND soul.

    YAMATO AND ODEN NEVER EVEN MET!!!

    Sorry, but it's forced and I don't buy it. It's just another way for Oda to enforce the idea that Oden is like, really super duper awesome and Chad. As if he wasn't already overhyped enough.
    Well that's exactly why I wouldn't compare Yamato and Oden. Law is pretty much every past character that had a mentor that died.

    Yamato is like a Lady Gaga fan. Never met, in love with the person, worships them, tries to be like them. Yamato's more severe in that he saw Oden once in probably his most heroic, noble, striking defining moment.

    At best you could compare Yamato to Wiper with his reverence for Kalgara but that has a deeper bond of culture and being of the same tribe.

    To me its no big deal that Yamato is trying to be Oden and they never met. To me it'd be much weirder if Law was trying to be Corazon by dressing and talking like him or if Luffy was trying to be Shanks and cut off his arm or dyed his hair red. The reason those characters don't do that is cuz they actually met their mentors/role models. Its totally different for Yamato. As of right now, all he had was witnessing a noble sacrifice and a journal of adventures and mysteries.

    After looking up what a chad is, I don't and didn't get that vibe from Oden at all so cant agree at all there.

    If Oda just wants to hammer down that Oden is awesome he could've done better and just make a character that looked and acted exactly like him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zik View Post
    The whole Yamato needs to drop the Oden idolizing shtick in order to join or at all as a character in order to grow seems to be something totally fan generated. Might be even a western fan thing cuz I never ger that sort of feedback from friends who are fans living in Japan.

    Not sure anything in the story is pointing to Yamato dropping that. Especially when he has admitted other characters like Luffy can be more "Oden" than him.

    Really seems Oda is just going to continue that as a quirky character trait no different than Sanji's swooning, Brook panty and bone/dead jokes, and Chopper's insult you shyness.
    I have two issues about his current "Oden" quirk. First, I have a hard time seeing Luffy allowing a new crew mate on the ship who pretends to be someone they aren't. So either Yamato drops it and does what Yamato would do before joining or we as readers are left believing that it's ok to be an inauthentic SH.

    Secondly, if Yamato does keep the "Oden" quirk, is it one that he's going to have until the end of the series? We can be certain that Sanji will always be a perv, Zoro will always get lost, and Brook will still make skull jokes even after Luffy is PK and the series ends. Are we to believe that Yamato's quirk will still see him pretending to be Oden for the rest of his life like the other SHs and their quirks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zik View Post
    Yamato is like a Lady Gaga fan. Never met, in love with the person, worships them, tries to be like them. Yamato's more severe in that he saw Oden once in probably his most heroic, noble, striking defining moment.
    Um... Lady Gaga fans don't call themselves Lady Gaga or dress like to her or want people to think that they are Lady Gaga. With Yamato, she is just extremely obsessed about Oden to the point where it is hurting her character; she will outgrow it as part of character development. It is a quirk like how Nami hated pirates, and now she is accepting she is a pirate. It's a similar trait. It's nothing like Sanji being flirty or what not. It's two different things. After Yamato joins, I'm very sure she be in cute outfits like Nami and Robin, and not wear the same one she has now, which is further proof that the Oden thing is a way for her to accept who she is. That's how I see it anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobLoblaw View Post
    I have two issues about his current "Oden" quirk. First, I have a hard time seeing Luffy allowing a new crew mate on the ship who pretends to be someone they aren't. So either Yamato drops it and does what Yamato would do before joining or we as readers are left believing that it's ok to be an inauthentic SH.
    I agree. Yamato will drop it as she needs to be herself just like the rest of the Strawhats. That's a very good point you brought.

    Secondly, if Yamato does keep the "Oden" quirk, is it one that he's going to have until the end of the series? We can be certain that Sanji will always be a perv, Zoro will always get lost, and Brook will still make skull jokes even after Luffy is PK and the series ends. Are we to believe that Yamato's quirk will still see him pretending to be Oden for the rest of his life like the other SHs and their quirks?
    Yeah, it would feel very unhealthy for Yamato to keep on pretending someone she is not. Like it just doesn't feel like this is who she is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zik View Post
    Well that's exactly why I wouldn't compare Yamato and Oden. Law is pretty much every past character that had a mentor that died.

    Yamato is like a Lady Gaga fan. Never met, in love with the person, worships them, tries to be like them. Yamato's more severe in that he saw Oden once in probably his most heroic, noble, striking defining moment.

    At best you could compare Yamato to Wiper with his reverence for Kalgara but that has a deeper bond of culture and being of the same tribe.

    To me its no big deal that Yamato is trying to be Oden and they never met. To me it'd be much weirder if Law was trying to be Corazon by dressing and talking like him or if Luffy was trying to be Shanks and cut off his arm or dyed his hair red. The reason those characters don't do that is cuz they actually met their mentors/role models. Its totally different for Yamato. As of right now, all he had was witnessing a noble sacrifice and a journal of adventures and mysteries.

    After looking up what a chad is, I don't and didn't get that vibe from Oden at all so cant agree at all there.

    If Oda just wants to hammer down that Oden is awesome he could've done better and just make a character that looked and acted exactly like him.
    Diehard music fans don't go around claiming to BE the their favorite artist. They might be influenced in the way they dress, but again this is a normal thing like the way Luffy wears the Strawhat as an homage to Shanks or law chose the heart as his symbol to honor Corazon.


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    There are fans who surgically alter their appearance and call themselves who they are supposedly a fan of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DollarScholar View Post
    Diehard music fans don't go around claiming to BE the their favorite artist. They might be influenced in the way they dress, but again this is a normal thing like the way Luffy wears the Strawhat as an homage to Shanks or law chose the heart as his symbol to honor Corazon.
    I agree. Yamato's Oden thing would be Luffy claiming to be Shanks and trying to look exactly like him, but Luffy is being himself and has dreams. The same will happened with Yamato, she will become herself, etc.

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    There are fans who surgically alter their appearance and call themselves who they are supposedly a fan of.
    That sounds very unhealthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cockycent View Post
    There are fans who surgically alter their appearance and call themselves who they are supposedly a fan of.
    I don't mean to sound insensitive, but those people are considered freaky by most. Something you see in a documentary and feel pity for. This goes back to the main problem, it's just not a personality trait you want to see in a Strawhat crewmate.


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    YAMATO AND ODEN NEVER EVEN MET!!!
    He read his journal. The rest is told in a short upcoming flashback I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobLoblaw View Post
    I have two issues about his current "Oden" quirk.
    Here's the thing, I don't really think it matters.

    Like there are fans who apparently hate Brook asking women for their panties or Sanji being a pussyhound. There are tons of fans who hate that Oda rarely kills, does fake death scenes, and due to those two never really has a real threat of death in the story if it isn't a flashback.

    I don't think Oda cares at all since he plays all that shit for laughs anyway (not the deaths). Same way he deals with Yamato's "I am Oden" shtick. Its usually played for laughs in a you're crazy kind of way and the rest of time its a confidence booster or statement of reaffirming some choice or stance he's making based on what he thinks Oden would do.

    So pretty much you and any other fans who have a serious problem are going to have to deal with it same way you've managed to keep reading OP with other things that bother you.

    First, I have a hard time seeing Luffy allowing a new crew mate on the ship who pretends to be someone they aren't.
    I can see Luffy not accepting it, accepting it or not giving a single fuck. That's the kinda guy he is.

    In the event he doesn't, I can see Oda having Yamato make a grand statement of "I AM YAMATO! AND I WANT TO JOIN YOU! .....cuz that's what Oden would do." and play the whole things for gags right after an assumed character developing moment.

    It probably would make more sense to think of how Oda would approach this instead of trying to get in Luffy's head anyway.

    Cuz when it comes to strawhat character quirks, he doesnt let them die. Usopp is still scared to death along with Nami, Robin is still pretty morbid, Franky is an exhibitionist, Brook and Sanji are pervs, Chopper is naive and gullible, Luffy never changes, Zoro is Zoro, etc.

    So either Yamato drops it and does what Yamato would do before joining or we as readers are left believing that it's ok to be an inauthentic SH.
    Again, dont think this matters at all. Labeling a strawhat inauthentic is something you choose to do. If that's how you're choosing to deal with it, so be it. Doesn't make it true or a fact.

    The way Yamato is written so far doesn't come off like he's purposely suppressing his true self to be something or someone he's not. That one moment watching him sacrifice himself and reading the journal really depicts this as Yamato falling in love with everything Oden to the point that's who he wants to be. As if a superhero like Spider-Man or Superman were real. Only other thing I'd add is I did say to you before in another discussion that there is a bit more to Yamato and the whole I am Oden schtick. Maybe a flashback will shed more light on it but from the details we do know something is slightly mentally and socially off with Yamato. I mean growing up on murder island with a bunch of murderers, just saw your dad kill the guy you look up to and are obsessed with, at some point get explosive handcuffs to keep you chained to the island, start trying to kill your father over and over, etc. There's a lot of trauma, wishful thinking, and disillusionment going on there.

    Secondly, if Yamato does keep the "Oden" quirk, is it one that he's going to have until the end of the series? We can be certain that Sanji will always be a perv, Zoro will always get lost, and Brook will still make skull jokes even after Luffy is PK and the series ends. Are we to believe that Yamato's quirk will still see him pretending to be Oden for the rest of his life like the other SHs and their quirks?
    Well it depends where Oda decides to let the character fall as far as character development goes.

    I think we can all agree while Usopp will always be a coward at heart or on instinct by the end of the story he will become a brave warrior of the sea. There is going to be a moment (or moments) where he is shown undoubtedly doing brave things and a few of his repeat lies will become true (8000 followers). He is not going to stillbe constantly running away, scared out his mind noting that he is useless, etc.

    So if Oda wants to, he could do something thematic where Yamato does lessen the I am Oden gag, have some sort of self realization and be renowned as the strawhat pirate Yamato to the extent he inspires some lonely kid to start running around yelling I AM YAMATO! Or something along those lines wherr Yamato makes a name for himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zik View Post
    Cuz when it comes to strawhat character quirks, he doesnt let them die. Usopp is still scared to death along with Nami, Robin is still pretty morbid, Franky is an exhibitionist, Brook and Sanji are pervs, Chopper is naive and gullible, Luffy never changes, Zoro is Zoro, etc.
    Let's not forgot about Nami hated pirates and would never be a pirate... oh wait she lost that quirk when she became herself and realized she had good friends, and became a pirate anyway.

    Let's not forgot how Robin was anti-social and didn't want anyone close, oh wait she lost that when she realized she is allowed to live.

    These are just some examples of how characters developed over time and it be the same with Yamato. Her accepting who she is and not pretend to be someone else. Also, none of those examples are the Strawhats pretending to be their hero or mentors. So, really you can't compare them to Yamato's deal. I *just* think story-wise Yamato will lose it for character development, and it's already slowly happening like Robby mentioned. So, by the end of this arc, it be gone for the most part. I have no issue with it, but I do think it will go away so she can grow and become herself. I feel like the point is for her to accept who she is, and hell maybe this tie in with her dream. To be Yamato and not Oden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starlalilymoon View Post
    Um... Lady Gaga fans don't call themselves Lady Gaga or dress like to her or want people to think that they are Lady Gaga.
    Maybe I should've said Lady Gaga fanatics to make the distinction clear. There are ppl extremely obsessed with her.

    Cuz there are definitely those ppl that literally try to be and become Lady Gaga or other famous ppl.

    There's a girl that's dedicated her life to becoming Kim Kardashian. Shes had the surgeries, voice training to try and do it.

    With Yamato, she is just extremely obsessed about Oden to the point where it is hurting her character; she will outgrow it as part of character development.
    Again, this just seems like a problem to you where you've created the solution that must happen all cuz you don't like this part of a character's personality.

    Clearly Oda doesn't think the whole I am Oden thing hurts Yamato as a character and if fan polls, SBS, fan letters from Japanese is all he has to go by he definitely thinks the fans love the character as is. He has his plans they could entail Yamato moving past Oden but seeing what he's done before I could see Oda keeping it until the end of the story.

    It is a quirk like how Nami hated pirates, and now she is accepting she is a pirate. It's a similar trait.
    I wouldn't call that a quirk for Nami. The truth about Nami is she hated pirates cuz of Arlong, joined that pirate crew in order to free her village and sailed around east blue pretending to join other pirate crews just to rob them. She didn't hate pirates. She hated what Arlong did to her hometown and family. Saying she hated pirates was just a defense mechanism given the fact she had to join a pirate crew in hopes of freeing herself of them.

    Also these two things are not alike cuz Yamato does not see being Oden as a negative like you do. Quite the opposite really. Being Oden is like the best thing you can aspire to be according to Yamato. He even comments how Luffy is more Oden than he is all stated in a positive way and almost as if he was a bit disappointed he wasn't as like Oden as Luffy was.
    It's nothing like Sanji being flirty or what not. It's two different things.
    I feel they're very similar cuz they're both played for gags.

    That's why I compared them

    After Yamato joins, I'm very sure she be in cute outfits like Nami and Robin, and not wear the same one she has now, which is further proof that the Oden thing is a way for her to accept who she is. That's how I see it anyway.
    Oh wow, we definitely disagree here. Even if Yamato drops the Oden thing next chapter I don't think he will immediately want to be refered to as a she. I know a lot of fans are stuck on Yamato's Oden was a man therefore I am a man but I just straight up think he is a trans character. So I highly doubt we'll see him in dresses and cute outfits along with Nami and Robin.

    There will be different outfits though. That is something Oda has done for a long while now every arc so we can expect Yamato to change from the Oden attire but I doubt it'll be clothes that Nami will have no problem putting on. Similar to how Robin took Nami's clothes after stowing away I can see Yamato taking Usopp's and Zoro's clothes to change in to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DollarScholar View Post
    Diehard music fans don't go around claiming to BE the their favorite artist. They might be influenced in the way they dress, but again this is a normal thing like the way Luffy wears the Strawhat as an homage to Shanks or law chose the heart as his symbol to honor Corazon.
    Well like I said to the other poster, I'm not talking about diehard music fans. This is more of a famous ppl sort of thing.

    There are ppl whos seriously to want to become somebody else famous cuz they love them so much or cuz they think they love them or cuz they just think that person's life is better. I hope we're not pretending like these ppl don't exist just to say Yamato wanting to be Oden has no real world comparisons.

    I already said before you can't compare Yamato to Luffy and Law. They met their mentors/role models. Yamato is a bit more like Wiper with Kalgara but on a much more extreme level. The perspective is completely different.
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    Calling it a quirk and comparing it with usopps cowardice is in itself presumptions as it's not at all clear this is how Oda thinks of it. As of now it's being played more as a serious trait. Until we see it played off for comedic effectsi would hold off with comparing it to pantie requests or Sanjis nosebleed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by starlalilymoon View Post
    That sounds very unhealthy.
    Yamato grew up in a very very VERY unhealthy environment and from what we know with the wrong ppl him.

    It's arguable he has the worst childhood of the strawhats beating out Robin by a bit. Cuz at least Robin got escape from ppl who would betray her until she statted betraying ppl herself. Its like what if Sanji never managed to escape Germa 66. Made all the worse cuz your dad is a ruthless pirate emperor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zik View Post
    Maybe I should be said Lady Gaga fanatics to make the distinction clear. There are ppl extremely obsessed with her.

    Cuz there are definitely those ppl that literally try to be and become Lady Gaga or other famous ppl.

    There's a girl that's dedicated her life to becoming Kim Kardashian. Shes had the surgeries, voice training to try and do it.
    And that is very unhealthy for their mental health and them not accepting themselves.

    Again, this just seems like a problem to you where you've created the solution that must happen all cuz you don't like this part of a character's personality.
    Except I don't hate it? I never said once I hate it. That's you making assumptions. I'm just observing the story and predicting what will happen next.

    Clearly Oda doesn't think the whole I am Oden thing hurts Yamato as a character and if fan polls, SBS, fan letters from Japanese is all he has to go by he definitely thinks the fans love the character as is. He has his plans they could entail Yamato moving past Oden but seeing what he's done before I could see Oda keeping it until the end of the story.
    I can't see Oda keeping it for the rest of the story. We never even had a direct statement from Oda thoughts on the whole Oden cosplaying thing.


    I wouldn't call that a quirk for Nami. The truth about Nami is she hated pirates cuz of Arlong, joined that pirate crew in order to free her village and sailed around east blue pretending to join other pirate crews just to rob them. She didn't hate pirates. She hated what Arlong did to her hometown and family. Saying she hated pirates was just a defense mechanism given the fact she had to join a pirate crew in hopes of freeing herself of them.
    Exactly. That's the same thing with Yamato, with her wanting to be Oden. Hers isn't a quirk either, it is similar to Nami. I bet Yamato is using the whole Oden thing as a coping mechanism due to how Kaido treated her.

    Also these two things are not alike cuz Yamato does not see being Oden as a negative like you do. Quite the opposite really. Being Oden is like the best thing you can aspire to be according to Yamato. He even comments how Luffy is more Oden than he is all stated in a positive way and almost as if he was a bit disappointed he wasn't as like Oden as Luffy was.
    Again, you misunderstood. I have no problem with Yamato's thing with wanting to be Oden. I just see it as part of character development like Nami or Robin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zik View Post
    Yamato grew up in a very very VERY unhealthy environment and from what we know with the wrong ppl him.

    It's arguable he has the worst childhood of the strawhats beating out Robin by a bit. Cuz at least Robin got escape from ppl who would betray her until she statted betraying ppl herself. Its like what if Sanji never managed to escape Germa 66. Made all the worse cuz your dad is a ruthless pirate emperor.
    Exactly, that's why it's crucial for her to become herself and be Yamato and not Oden. It is part of character development and not just a personality trait. You proved my point with this.

    Quote Originally Posted by DollarScholar View Post
    Calling it a quirk and comparing it with usopps cowardice is in itself presumptions as it's not at all clear this is how Oda thinks of it. As of now it's being played more as a serious trait. Until we see it played off for comedic effectsi would hold off with comparing it to pantie requests or Sanjis nosebleed.
    I agree with this. But hell Ussop has became more courageous throughout the series too. So, even that "quirk" has been changed. Sure he still gets scared, but he's became a much stronger person mentally.

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    Overlooked analogy for Yamatos Oden-thing is Zoro originally developing the Santoryu in order to honor Kuina, and pushing himself to become a swordsman using her sword in order to fulfill her dream.
    Now once Zoro joins Luffy his motivations develop and we basically never hear of Kuina again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zik View Post
    Here's the thing, I don't really think it matters.

    Like there are fans who apparently hate Brook asking women for their panties or Sanji being a pussyhound. There are tons of fans who hate that Oda rarely kills, does fake death scenes, and due to those two never really has a real threat of death in the story if it isn't a flashback.

    I don't think Oda cares at all since he plays all that shit for laughs anyway (not the deaths). Same way he deals with Yamato's "I am Oden" shtick. Its usually played for laughs in a you're crazy kind of way and the rest of time its a confidence booster or statement of reaffirming some choice or stance he's making based on what he thinks Oden would do.

    So pretty much you and any other fans who have a serious problem are going to have to deal with it same way you've managed to keep reading OP with other things that bother you.
    It matters. Every quirk that the SHs have comes from being authentic. They all have their owns thoughts, desires, and habits. None of them involve pretending to be anyone other than themselves. I can't think of any leading characters who spend their lives pretending to be someone that they aren't. Everything we've learned about Luffy and his crew makes us believe that they value people for who they are, not who they pretend to be.


    I can see Luffy not accepting it, accepting it or not giving a single fuck. That's the kinda guy he is.

    In the event he doesn't, I can see Oda having Yamato make a grand statement of "I AM YAMATO! AND I WANT TO JOIN YOU! .....cuz that's what Oden would do." and play the whole things for gags right after an assumed character developing moment.

    It probably would make more sense to think of how Oda would approach this instead of trying to get in Luffy's head anyway.

    Cuz when it comes to strawhat character quirks, he doesnt let them die. Usopp is still scared to death along with Nami, Robin is still pretty morbid, Franky is an exhibitionist, Brook and Sanji are pervs, Chopper is naive and gullible, Luffy never changes, Zoro is Zoro, etc.
    We must be interpreting this manga differently. To me it's mostly about the value of friendship. It's hard to be friends with someone who isn't honest about who they are or what they want. I can't see Luffy allowing someone in his crew who can't even acknowledge who they are and what they want themselves. Yamato acknowledging who he is and what he wants is the only way I can see that happening. If he never gets to that point, then I think that does effectively prevent him from joining as a crew mate. He could still sail with them like Law or Kinemon as an ally, but not as a SH.


    Again, dont think this matters at all. Labeling a strawhat inauthentic is something you choose to do. If that's how you're choosing to deal with it, so be it. Doesn't make it true or a fact.

    The way Yamato is written so far doesn't come off like he's purposely suppressing his true self to be something or someone he's not. That one moment watching him sacrifice himself and reading the journal really depicts this as Yamato falling in love with everything Oden to the point that's who he wants to be. As if a superhero like Spider-Man or Superman were real. Only other thing I'd add is I did say to you before in another discussion that there is a bit more to Yamato and the whole I am Oden schtick. Maybe a flashback will shed more light on it but from the details we do know something is slightly mentally and socially off with Yamato. I mean growing up on murder island with a bunch of murderers, just saw your dad kill the guy you look up to and are obsessed with, at some point get explosive handcuffs to keep you chained to the island, start trying to kill your father over and over, etc. There's a lot of trauma, wishful thinking, and disillusionment going on there.
    It wouldn't make it an incorrect label based on everything that we've learned about the crew. We can see how the crew came together to help save Robin as someone who had a troubled past. The crew knew who she was and what she brought to the table. She was their friend and that was enough for them to risk their lives to save her. If Yamato wants to join, he'd need to do it as Yamato. Otherwise, we're left to believe that it's ok to be a crew mate that doesn't acknowledge your own personal thoughts, wishes, or limitations. We just saw Sanji acknowledge his own personal weakness when he asked for Robin's help. If Yamato can't even acknowledge that he's not Oden and accept himself, then what are we left to think?

    Well it depends where Oda decides to let the character fall as far as character development goes.

    I think we can all agree while Usopp will always be a coward at heart or on instinct by the end of the story he will become a brave warrior of the sea. There is going to be a moment (or moments) where he is shown undoubtedly doing brave things and a few of his repeat lies will become true (8000 followers). He is not going to stillbe constantly running away, scared out his mind noting that he is useless, etc.

    So if Oda wants to, he could do something thematic where Yamato does lessen the I am Oden gag, have some sort of self realization and be renowned as the strawhat pirate Yamato to the extent he inspires some lonely kid to start running around yelling I AM YAMATO! Or something along those lines wherr Yamato makes a name for himself.
    That's the thing, though. Quirks are always there. They don't end, even when the story does. Will Luffy stop liking meat? Will Zoro still get lost? Will Franky still like cola? If this truly is a quirk like the other SH's, then he'll always be pretending to be Oden, which doesn't sound like healthy development for a main character. I agree that it could potentially lessen, but that would mean it's not a quirk, just a trait that he's working to overcome. Unfortunately, he just did the Odean thing again last chapter and hasn't shown any interest in trying to establish who he is yet. Maybe he'll get some more development in a flashback or when Luffy arrives, but for now it's still all Oden all the time.

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    Let's not forgot about Nami hated pirates and would never be a pirate... oh wait she lost that quirk when she became herself and realized she had good friends, and became a pirate anyway.
    Well like I said in my other reply to you that is not a quirk really.

    It was a negative self defense mechanism based on her particular situation. Its not a character trait.

    Let's not forgot how Robin was anti-social and didn't want anyone close, oh wait she lost that when she realized she is allowed to live.
    I remember Robin's first scene on the Going Merry asking to be a strawhat being social as fuck. She easily charmed Sanji, won over Nami, then playfully corralled Chopper Luffy, and Usopp, and she got Luffy's approval from the get go. A simple statement to Zoro had him no longer press the matter. If Vivi was on the ship, Robin probably would've convinced her too in due time. I mean hell, once Vivi found out she was a strawhat she just said meh, Luffy has his reasons.

    I must've missed where Robin was so anti-social that it rose to the level of being a character quirk. She was very demure to start, very morbid and morbid humor. That really hasn't changed.

    These are just some examples of how characters developed over time and it be the same with Yamato. Her accepting who she is and not pretend to be someone else. Also, none of those examples are the Strawhats pretending to be their hero or mentors. So, really you can't compare them to Yamato's deal. I *just* think story-wise Yamato will lose it for character development, and it's already slowly happening like Robby mentioned. So, by the end of this arc, it be gone for the most part. I have no issue with it, but I do think it will go away so she can grow and become herself. I feel like the point is for her to accept who she is, and hell maybe this tie in with her dream. To be Yamato and not Oden.
    The examples you gave really didn't feel compelling to me and i've been saying we really shouldn't compare Yamato's situation to the rest of the strawhats cuz they are starkly different.

    Also I'm not saying Yamato will never drop the Oden shtick. I'm just saying I don't think it's the problem you think it is. There doesn't need to be some moment of Yamato realizing he really should embrace being himself cuz if we're being honest he already is. Yamato saw Oden once and saw him die then read his journal. The way Yamato acts is how he thinks Oden would. If we compare Oden in the flashback to Yamato's 30 chapters or so they're bot really the same anyway. He's not running amok through Wano, banging all the women, slaying local monsters, beating up yakuza bosses and samurais, he's not loud and obnoxious like Oden (came off that way in the anime to me yet to be seen with Yamato).

    The main things Yamato and Oden have in common is yearning to leave Wano and explore the world, being really strong, being super ignorant about things naturally, wanting to save Wano from Kaido and open its borders for the dawn or w/e. Character wise Yamato and Oden are very different. Oda could've easily mailed it in and had Yamato be a carbon copy of Oden but its not that way. This is why i don't mind if the Oden gags and the Oden confidence statements stick around.
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