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    Walking around with no pants and they are both blunt. Oden builds wharfs and Franky builds a lot of things. Oden could tell and was attracted to Franky

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    Again mentioning Franky's family, I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up meeting them in the future

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    Quote Originally Posted by .access timeco. View Post
    - You know, I don't get some things. We can see in this chapter Roger got the title of Pirate King before he went to Laugh Tale... so what exactly gave him the title? Also, since Lodestar was believed to be the final island, why people didn't consider he conquered the Grand Line (and started calling him Pirate King) when he got there 14 years before?
    Actually, no.

    Oda inverted the order he presented the events (first the newspapers, then Oden reminiscing about the day the arrived at Laugh Tale), but Roger is being called the Pirate King because he reached the end of the Grand Line.

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    My reaction to the final panel of the chapter is basically this.

    But also what will I say about the chapter that many people had already talked about? First things first? The part where they went to Water 7 confirms that Franky knew who Oden is but either doesn't give a flying fuck about it or just thinks he's some random guy (Assuming alongside Roger at the time) the part where Oden had to leave his wife and kids behind on his home island of Wano where the factories are already in full force. Neptune wasn't even a king yet (Confirming before he was king his father is most likely the legend himself Saturn may exist at one point.) Buggy getting sick explains why he never went to Laugh Tale in the first place and the reveal that Joy Boy may have created the One Piece seal the deal on how important Joy Boy really is hence why Gol D. Roger named the last island Laugh Tale because whatever they were laughing at the island means it is something only Luffy can handle.

    How can Oda even top this stuff? Will he connect Elbaf to the One Piece even more? (Giant back then were kinda the enemies of the World Government and the CD's themselves so who knows if had they not killed the giant pirates would a war with the giants end the World Government range?)

    Either way I'm guessing next chapter we will see what will sadly happen to Oden and get back to the war that Orochi tired to prevent from happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Looks like viz is going with "Laugh Tale" in quotation marks. They're going to run with "Roger called it that, but the populace missed the joke."



    Because thats the last place the compasses led to, but upon getting there they went crazy. It clearly wasn't the ACTUAL last stop part of the round trip.


    But do people know that there is a final island beyond lodestar? If they dont know then why nobody reached lodestar when it was just navigation? The likes of WB, Linlin should have been able to do it. But if people know that there is one last island then how do they know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blindjustice View Post
    But do people know that there is a final island beyond lodestar? If they dont know then why nobody reached lodestar when it was just navigation? The likes of WB, Linlin should have been able to do it. But if people know that there is one last island then how do they know?
    Depends on how common the Voice of all Things was at that time. Roger only found out that there is a last island through the voice of Poneglyphs. Maybe there were rumors though. Oharan people should have known. The island where Buggy gets sick could be Lodestar. Looks quite inhabited.

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    First thing to say about this one, and it sucks that it has to be a negative, is that someone has really dropped the ball with the release timing for this one. Absolutely no avoiding spoilers. And every year the first issue leaks super early, so Shueisha must have known it would happen here as well. Would have been smart to move up the release of the digital version with that in mind, or at least not let the English release be so many days behind the Japanese one. And the whole thing with taking down scan sites might have gone a little smoother without this long delay so soon after it happening. Give people a bit more time to transition before the annual first issue delay shakes their faith. Just feels like there should have been some way to manage this better.

    The colour spread is... not my favourite. The Arashi boys are deeply uncanny, and a lot of the bobble head Strawhats aren't super appealing either. It is cute the way the Arashi ship is holding hands with Merry and Sunny at the bottom though, and Jinbe's presence leads me to believe we'll be getting back to him very soon after the flashback ends. Interesting to put him in his Marineford outfit though. I would have expected the Fishman Island or Tottoland duds to be used as his default appearance going forward, but I guess he changed so little over the timeskip that it doesn't matter the same way it would if any other crew member got that treatment.

    But the rest of the chapter more than makes up for the odd colour spread! The lore! The history! The hints at the endgame! Gold Roger in the flesh! He's really been cemented as a human being now, after so long purely as a mythic figure, and I like him a lot. It really does feel like he could be the hero of his own story if a prequel was ever done. The chronology of Roger's adventures is interesting though. From Water Seven to Tequila Wolf and then back to Fishman Island? Are we to assume a long passage of time in which Roger left the Grand Line and started over (even after suspecting at Water Seven that all the poneglyphs would be in the New World)? Something from the past? Or maybe they were distracted by a sidequest we just don't know about for the moment.

    The location of the Fishman Island ponegyph is sure to be a big deal going forward, but the options are far too open to speculate on now. (Maybe Jinbe would remember something about it if given the right hint from Oden's logbook?). One of the most interesting fragments here is Roger explicitly describing Poseidon as "a weapon that'll destroy the world one day" which perhaps suggests the Ancient Weapons could do more than simply nuke Mariejoa and Reverse Mountain as some theories suggest. But as to what could be combined with Neptunians and a great battleship to create a global scale threat, who knows. The wording is vague, but the line about "people who called it a weapon" could be read to imply that destruction is only one possible function of the so called Ancient Weapons. And of course, the idea that fulfilling the One Piece's purpose will take all three and Roger couldn't do it because he was ten years too early is easy theory fodder.

    You almost feel bad for Roger. Too late for Joyboy, too early for the One piece. Makes me think of the old "born too late to explore the world, born too early to explore the universe" meme, except Roger did get to explore the world. And, well, he does seem happy with the friends he made things he accomplished in his own time, and isn't that what counts?



    Looking forward to the questions about how hair mermaids actually grow, coming soon to an SBS near you, from the usual gang of pervs

    It's interesting to see how much Wano was already changing when Oden stopped in for the poneglyph. Previously we might have assumed Kaido did most of the damage after establishing himself there but it's clear now (and from the last chapter) that Orochi industrialised the country on purpose to lure powerful allies like Kaido in, which makes me even more ready to see his downfall when we get back to the present. Kaido is a bad guy for sure, but his evil is an uncaring force of nature. Orochi is malicious and exploitative in a way Kaido just hasn't been so far.

    Genghis Baan! What a name! I do wonder, what is it Cat and Dog told their people to convince every single man, woman and child on Zou their bond with Wano was too important to betray, even in the face of annihilation. I can understand them feeling that way personally, but we aren't seeing a lot of Oden making an impression on the general mink population. The pack mentality is strong among minks, I guess.

    "Several Real Poneglyphs" is interesting to note. It's been a point of speculation for a while if the full text of the Real Poneglyphs could be found alongside the One Piece. The logbook implies both that Roger didn't find all of them and that he learned all the secrets of the world anyway. How many poneglyphs were missing from the Pirate King's set? Would Robin have seen any so far that he never did?

    Poor Buggy and Shanks. Hey, it seems Buggy is like the "bad timeline" version of the aged up characters Oda's been doing in the SBS lately. Wonder if we'll ever get a good timeline version of him, maybe what he would be if he did get to see the One Piece. Shank's plot is doing nothing but thicken. Has he visited the last island on his own? If he doesn't know about the One Piece and the secrets of the world, what's his leverage with the Five Elders? Too many questions!

    So what do we know about the One Piece? It's a real treasure, but there's a lot of information in there as well. The Void Century, the Weapons, the People of the D (I can't wait to for my friends who don't really follow the series to ask if we know what the treasure is yet so I can say with complete honesty that the secret final treasure is what the D in Monkey D Luffy stands for), and that it has something to do with Wano, given how desperate Oden was to restore the country to its open state after seeing it.

    The final spread is a beautiful piece of work which I can see becoming iconic for the series for years to come. In fact, I'd be shocked if there weren't prints of the manuscript available at Jump Stores already. Interesting that the official release actually went with Laugh Tale as well! I'm glad for it, but I'm aching for the podcast episode to come out so I can hear a little more about how they're going to handle it.

    I assume next week our time with Roger is going to wrap up pretty quickly and the focus will shift back to Wano and Kaido. Our time with him, like his life, feels so much shorter than it should have been, but all the same it was beautiful, inspiring, and a great bit of a laugh. My heartiest congratulations to Oda for sticking the landing on this one. After 20 years of anticipation, seeing Roger as he actually was could easily have been massively underwhelming, but somehow he pulled it off. I can't wait to see what he has in store for the end of the series!

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    Quote Originally Posted by .access timeco. View Post
    I kept the comments I had for the chapter for when the official (proper) translation came out... but that was over a week ago and I forgot most of it.


    - You know, I don't get some things. We can see in this chapter Roger got the title of Pirate King before he went to Laugh Tale... so what exactly gave him the title? Also, since Lodestar was believed to be the final island, why people didn't consider he conquered the Grand Line (and started calling him Pirate King) when he got there 14 years before?


    It must be the rumours of One Piece and Laugh Tale which spread like fire that made him Pirate King.

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    Random thoughts on this chapter.

    -why did the Roger pirates sail back to East Blue? Is there any secrets to be found around Tequila whatever it was called? If so it would explain why Robin was thrown over there.

    -Huh so i guess Oro-dude didn't have to make shit up. Oden literally turned his back on Wano and walked away without even hearing about it's problems. I was not expecting that to be honest.

    -Also Scooper looks way too much like a young dr Kureha. A relation of hers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain M View Post
    The colour spread is... not my favourite. The Arashi boys are deeply uncanny, and a lot of the bobble head Strawhats aren't super appealing either. It is cute the way the Arashi ship is holding hands with Merry and Sunny at the bottom though, and Jinbe's presence leads me to believe we'll be getting back to him very soon after the flashback ends. Interesting to put him in his Marineford outfit though. I would have expected the Fishman Island or Tottoland duds to be used as his default appearance going forward, but I guess he changed so little over the timeskip that it doesn't matter the same way it would if any other crew member got that treatment.
    Given that the actual music video used his Cake Island gold outfit, I have to assume it's mostly a coloring thing. The gold outfit would have blended into the backdrop, His green fishman Island outfit would have looked garishly out of place, and giving hi ma new red/pink outfit like everyone else would have looked bad against his tatoo and blue. (As is the pink cape is a bit weird.) The orange fits in with the rest of the scene pretty easily, and he was drawn in that for a long time.

    The final spread is a beautiful piece of work which I can see becoming iconic for the series for years to come. In fact, I'd be shocked if there weren't prints of the manuscript available at Jump Stores already. Interesting that the official release actually went with Laugh Tale as well! I'm glad for it, but I'm aching for the podcast episode to come out so I can hear a little more about how they're going to handle it.
    Viz put "Laugh Tale" in quote marks. THey're going to just run with the real world truth in this case... the world wasn't in on the joke and called it Raftel, but that's what was always meant. They might find a way to sneak it into dialogue at some point when its relevant again to make the correction, but it'll probably just continue to be "Raftel" until anyone else catches onto what Roger hismelf called it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blindjustice View Post
    But do people know that there is a final island beyond lodestar? If they dont know then why nobody reached lodestar when it was just navigation? The likes of WB, Linlin should have been able to do it. But if people know that there is one last island then how do they know?
    Roger said explicitly last chapter that they were the first to reach Lodestar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Given that the actual music video used his Cake Island gold outfit, I have to assume it's mostly a coloring thing. The gold outfit would have blended into the backdrop, His green fishman Island outfit would have looked garishly out of place, and giving hi ma new red/pink outfit like everyone else would have looked bad against his tatoo and blue. (As is the pink cape is a bit weird.) The orange fits in with the rest of the scene pretty easily, and he was drawn in that for a long time.
    That's a pretty good explanation. I watched the video but totally didn't pick up that his outfit was different to the spread. Still a little bit of a shame couldn't have had a new or recoloured getup like Sanji, Franky and Zoro have.



    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Viz put "Laugh Tale" in quote marks. THey're going to just run with the real world truth in this case... the world wasn't in on the joke and called it Raftel, but that's what was always meant. They might find a way to sneak it into dialogue at some point when its relevant again to make the correction, but it'll probably just continue to be "Raftel" until anyone else catches onto what Roger hismelf called it.
    This sounds about right, and is probably the best way to handle it without a complete retcon, but I'm still keen to hear from Stephen the behind the scenes of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sengokusgoat View Post
    Roger said explicitly last chapter that they were the first to reach Lodestar.
    And yet he didn't hint that they named the island. I think that there must be a big difference between Laugh Tale and Lodestar. As i get it it's not hard to get to Laugh Tale once you decipher the Poneglyphs. Lodestar meanwhile is a different thing: your Log Pose may direct you there but it's incredibly hard to get there. We had Sky Island, Underwater Island, Moving Island... so what could it be? Maybe a combination? A moving space island and you would have to be at the right spot at the right time. My guess still is that it's former God Valley that would be send flying through whatever means. This way Roger could still be the first to get there but it would have been known and inhabited not to long before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candide View Post
    The island where Buggy gets sick could be Lodestar. Looks quite inhabited.
    What? How did you even come to that conclusion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by auem View Post
    It is still weird to me how people believed Roger's words of navigating the whole grand line without much of a proof.
    Yeah, but at least it explains why he wasn't regarded as the Pirate King once he got to Lodestar (since he realized it wasn't the real final island, it would make sense for him to not boast about it).

    EDIT: It could also be that rather than taking his word on it, the fact his crew emerged from the other side of the Reverse Mountain served as proof - and maybe he refused to complete the journey before because he realized there was one hidden island left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monquito View Post
    What? How did you even come to that conclusion?
    Nah... it was just a random thought. It seems like they are preparing there last journey, if Lodestar is the second to last island it would make sense to leave from there. But as i said, i believe Lodestar is a place really hard to get to and if Roger pirates have all four Poneglyphs this island could be anywhere. It's strange that the name of the port town isn't written though...

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    Crackpot warning ahead. My new entirely unsubstansiated headcanon is now that Scooper is Kurehas brother or son and was up until they picked up Crocus their make shift medic on account of being brought up in a doctor family that he eventually ran out on. Hence Kureha knowing Rogers real name cause she had been introduced to him when he was all brother or son snatching. Alright you can now go back to discussing non crazy ideas again.

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    The official translation calls the Rio poneglyph, Real poneglyph? hmm if that's Oda's intention it still sounds weird, it is not like other ones are fake..
    From the wiki:
    The Rio Poneglyph (真の歴史の本文(リオ・ポーネグリフ) Rio Pōnegurifu, literally meaning "True Text of History"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candide View Post
    Nah... it was just a random thought. It seems like they are preparing there last journey, if Lodestar is the second to last island it would make sense to leave from there. But as i said, i believe Lodestar is a place really hard to get to and if Roger pirates have all four Poneglyphs this island could be anywhere. It's strange that the name of the port town isn't written though...
    Maybe that island was Baterilla and Roger just came back from conceiving Ace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaizoku_Ou View Post
    The official translation calls the Rio poneglyph, Real poneglyph? hmm if that's Oda's intention it still sounds weird, it is not like other ones are fake..
    From the wiki:
    "True text of history" refers to the void century. "True history", as opposed to whatever lie or coverup the world government has going on. The Rio Poneglyph is (most likely) just all the poneglyphs combined, telling the complete story about what happened back then.

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