View Poll Results: Who will join the alliance to take down Kaido?

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    63 28.77%
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  1. #501

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    I think the arc might end on volume 100.

  2. #502

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    He's averaged 10-11 ch for the last 10 volumes. That would make it at least 70 chapters, plus the 42 ch that we're already in, before the arc ends. Around chapters 1020-1030 possibly.

  3. #503

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    If Act 2 ends in the next 1-2 chapters,and we will really get 5 acts,with the fifth being an epilogue,it can really ends on volume 100. It seems every act lasts around 3 volumes (but not full volumes).
    Act 1 was:
    -end of vol. 90
    - All vol. 91
    - Half of vol. 92
    Act 2 would be:
    - Half of vol. 92
    - All vol.93
    - Half of vol 94

    We'll see

  4. #504

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamiRobinFrankyAce View Post
    If Act 2 ends in the next 1-2 chapters,and we will really get 5 acts,with the fifth being an epilogue,it can really ends on volume 100. It seems every act lasts around 3 volumes (but not full volumes).
    Act 1 was:
    -end of vol. 90
    - All vol. 91
    - Half of vol. 92
    Act 2 would be:
    - Half of vol. 92
    - All vol.93
    - Half of vol 94

    We'll see
    Act 2 is already all of volume 94. Next chapter's probably the last one in that book.

  5. #505

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    It's also already 10 chapters longer than Act 1, so they're clearly not balanced. Act 5 will probably be the ending wrap-up, so that one won't be very long. It's Act 2, 3 and 4 that are going to be the bulk of the arc. Which makes sense since that's the HA portion of Kabuki plays.

  6. #506

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain M View Post
    Act 2 is already all of volume 94. Next chapter's probably the last one in that book.
    I am not sure about that,by the way if Act 2 ends in the next two chapters we would still be in this structure

  7. #507

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    I've been thinking lately about the differences between the Tottoland and Wano storylines and what one of those differences could mean for the future of Wano.

    Tottoland was, to an overwhelming degree, a story about enemies. Big Mom has 84 children, all of which are raised to be part of her crew. Oda didn't pick that number for hyperbole either. Though some were only named in material outside the manga such as One Piece Magazine, all 84 have concrete appearances and the overwhelming majority of them made at least one appearance in a canon comic panel. And that's before we start counting non-family member allies, or even the Vinsmokes, who were a clearly antagonistic force for most of the arc. In fact, there were so many enemies that Tottoland has become one of very, very few One Piece territories with no established civilian characters. We saw glimpses of the general population, sure, but none were named or established. None were befriended. Everyone the crew fought alongside or defended during Tottoland was to some extent a turncoat from Big Mom's forces.

    That sounds great for fights, right? You could bring in every established member of the Straw Hat Grand Fleet and give them a one on one clash and still have enemies to spare. But when you expect Oda to zig, he zags on you. Luffy came in shorthanded and even after being joined by the Sun Pirates, the Vinsmokes, and others, his people were still vastly outnumbered by Big Mom's crew of literally nearly one hundred named characters. Oda made the enemy force seem truly insurmountable, then made the objective to escape from them rather than defeat them outright.

    Compare and contrast Wano. It seemed a safe guess beforehand that Kaido's crew would be built up the same way Big Mom's was. It made sense, after an escape arc, we would go back to a fighting one. We've been talking about directly confronting these guys since Punk Hazard. Kaido, hyped as the strongest living creature, has always felt like a greater threat than Big Mom in the grand scheme of things, so his forces would have to to be bigger and stronger than her already overwhelming ones were. But again, Oda zags on us. Kaido's crew falls far short of the size and threat level precedent set by Big Mom. Counting named members of the Beasts Pirates only, he has less than a quarter of Big Mom's children. Add in allies such as Orochi, and even assuming all of the Oniwabanshu will be named characters he doesn't get halfway there. That's not me bitching that Kaido doesn't live up to the hype, that's just the literal numbers of the matter. So what is Wano about then? Well if Tottoland was a story of enemies, Wano is a story of allies.

    Where Tottoland had no named civilians or locals outside of Big Mom's crew, Wano is full of colourful local faces, many of which lean more to the Straw Hats' side than Kaido's. Tottoland gave us more enemies with interesting personalities and powers than the force Luffy brought could ever give a climactic battle to. Wano is giving us more allies than Kaido's crew (as revealed to date) could possibly supply a fight for. And even if Kaido did have enough individuals, would you really want a full chapter of a Wano samurai going one on one with Babanuki? With Gazelleman? With Holdem? Even if those guys are more of a match for the Akazaya Nine than they were for Luffy, I don't think I'd be that into it.

    This is where we hit a turning point, assuming it is the destiny of the Wano arc to turn into the biggest battle of the series to date. The next few chapters will decide which one of two directions Oda chooses to take this huge imbalance of numbers and powers between Luffy's allies and enemies in Wano. For the moment, I think both options are equally likely. They depend on whether Kaido and Big Mom's fight ends in an alliance, or in each Emperor going their own way.

    Option 1: If Big Mom and Kaido can't come to an agreement, there's really only one satisfying way for things to play out, and that's for Kaido to make up for the lacking strength of his underlings. There'll likely be proper fights for Orochi and the Calamities, but everyone else will be passed over or easily dispatched so that all of Luffy's allies can team up on Kaido. If he really does live up to his reputation as an individual, this will likely be an extremely desperate battle, and everyone with enough fighting power to buy even a second of time against him will have their moment in the spotlight. I think there's strong precedent in this, since the most effective moment of battle against Big Mom was when the crew of the Sunny worked together and combined their skills in interesting ways. Where the Big Mom pirates will go while Kaido is fought, it's too soon to say.

    Option 2: If Big Mom and Kaido decide to work together, the different focus of the two arcs evens out. Tottoland had too many enemies to handle. Wano has too many allies. With Big Mom and Kaido's crew's combined, Oda could make sure all the most interesting individuals on each side get a fight of their own to really show their stuff in. Some measure of combined attack will likely still be required to topple either Emperor, but it will a less desperate affair if our heroes have had to fight through both enemy crews to get there. I could see Big Mom being taken down mainly by the teamwork of the alliance while Luffy does the bulk of the fighting against Kaido (with some help from the heaviest hitters on his side).

    I think either of these options would be a valid and satisfying way to resolve the dense web of characters Oda's set up, and return Wano to a feeling of tension, after so many chapters of feeling the Straw Hats have had it perhaps a little too easy relative to how powerful their enemy is meant to be. But we'll see where it all goes. Trying to predict Oda is historically a fool's game. Remember, he always zags on us.

  8. #508

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    And then Oda goes with Option 3.

  9. #509

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    How many subplots do we still have to take care of before we can head to Onigashima?

    1. Supplying the troops with weapons, presumably from Gyuukimaru
    2. Burying Yasu's corpse
    3. Rescuing Law from Hawkins
    4. Recruiting Denjiro
    5. Meeting up with the rebellion at the new meeting place.

    That's all I can think of right now. There are some other plotlines still going on like Kidd, but he doesn't feel necessary before sailing off to the main event.
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  10. #510

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterKingJC View Post
    And then Oda goes with Option 3.
    I expect nothing less

  11. #511

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    Can someone please list me things to be excited about in this arc, I feel so bored and I think I've probably missed something interesting. I just still feel like this arc hasn't even started properly yet. All I'm waiting for at the moment is Reverie and I constantly worry that it'll be handled off-panel.

  12. #512

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBits View Post
    How many subplots do we still have to take care of before we can head to Onigashima?

    1. Supplying the troops with weapons, presumably from Gyuukimaru
    2. Burying Yasu's corpse
    3. Rescuing Law from Hawkins
    4. Recruiting Denjiro
    5. Meeting up with the rebellion at the new meeting place.

    That's all I can think of right now. There are some other plotlines still going on like Kidd, but he doesn't feel necessary before sailing off to the main event.
    1. Witching Hour Boy
    2. Fixing up the ships
    3. Copying the poneglyph in Orochi's castle? (May come after the big battle instead)
    4. BM Pirates entering Wano?
    5. Nekomamushi and Jinbe's arrival
    6. Learning who Hitetsu is waiting for

    All I can think of for now, but given that there's 7 days left, new stuff is gonna pop up anyhow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Norman View Post
    All I'm waiting for at the moment is Reverie and I constantly worry that it'll be handled off-panel.
    The Reverie is officially over as of this chapter, since it skipped to the next day. Well, assuming that the entire thing didn't end prematurely due to the Revolutionaries attacking.

    That said, Oda did actually confirm months that we would be returning there in some form (I guess it'd have to be a flashback now?), so you'll see it one way or another. I just wouldn't get my hopes up about said return lasting longer than a chapter if I were you. I'd imagine it'd happen after Act 2 ends, like how part of 925 was in-between Acts 2 and 3.

  13. #513

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterKingJC View Post
    And then Oda goes with Option 3.
    Lets hope its not like Rogue's pregnancy though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBits View Post
    How many subplots do we still have to take care of before we can head to Onigashima?
    I just hope they all - but SHs especially - will finally have their moment together before leaving and the group won’t be separated shortly before they embark. Those moments are the best and we hadn’t something like this since end of FI and PH...

  15. #515

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBits View Post
    How many subplots do we still have to take care of before we can head to Onigashima?

    1. Supplying the troops with weapons, presumably from Gyuukimaru
    2. Burying Yasu's corpse
    3. Rescuing Law from Hawkins
    4. Recruiting Denjiro
    5. Meeting up with the rebellion at the new meeting place.

    That's all I can think of right now. There are some other plotlines still going on like Kidd, but he doesn't feel necessary before sailing off to the main event.
    I guess Zoro has to get his sword back before the final fight. Which might take ages considering the pace of that storyline.

  16. #516

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candide View Post
    I just hope they all - but SHs especially - will finally have their moment together before leaving and the group won’t be separated shortly before they embark. Those moments are the best and we hadn’t something like this since end of FI and PH...
    Oh yes, a pre figjt party like the one in Skypiea would be awesome.

  17. #517

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    Also odens flashback, according to oda, will happen this calender year
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  18. #518

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    Zoro was born in Shimotsuki Village. Shimotsuki Ryuma, Ushimaru and Yasuie lived in Wano. Then, what does Shimotsuki mean?
    In Japanese, it means "November" in which Zoro was born, but I believe another important meaning is hiding behind it.

    There is a Japanese phrase “nishi muku samurai” (西向く侍), which is used for remembering months that don't have the 31st day (February, April, June, September and November).

    The literal meaning of "nishi muku samurai" is "a samurai that faces the west," and it can be divided into "ni", "shi", "mu", "ku", and "samurai".

    "Ni" means 2 (February), "shi" means 4 (April), "mu" means 6 (June), and "ku" means 9"(September) in Japanese.
    “Samurai" implies 11 (November), but the reason is a bit complicated.

    Eleven is written as "十一" in kanji, and when you arrange it vertically, it becomes "士".
    (Traditionally, Japanese sentences were written vertically.)

    "士" (shi) means "武士" (bushi), and "武士" is equivalent to "侍" (samurai). This is why "侍" (samurai) can express "eleven".

    Thus, it can be said that Zoro was born in Shimotsuki Village, meaning Samurai Village.
    Ryuma, Yasuie and Ushimaru share the same name of Shimotsuki, meaning Samurai.

    *Ryuma having Shimotsuki name was revealed in Vivre Card.
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  19. #519

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    i remember in SBS, Oda did mention that the twin of carpenter whom Franky spyied earlier is traveling out from wano and ended in East Blue for certain reason. Maybe Zoro is deported out due to Kaido attacks Wano 20 years ago?
    Daaammnnn!

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    Sort of like 'Remember, remember, the fifth of november', but with extra steps.

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