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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhenja View Post
    I don't think they did. The only thing they showed as kids, were their superhuman strength.
    Their other abilities comes from the suits.
    Nope

    https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/one-piece-2/en/0/852/page/13

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    ne Piece Chapter 852. You can clearly see Niji with lightning and Ichiji with explosions. Yonji's powers are physical, the RS adds the winch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhenja View Post
    I don't think they did. The only thing they showed as kids, were their superhuman strength.
    Their other abilities comes from the suits.
    Niji used electricity twice without the suit in chapter 840. Right fist and his knee before that

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    What?
    They have their suits on. In both examples.

    "There will be an answer, let it be."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhenja View Post
    What?
    They have their suits on. In both examples.
    I guess those might be little baby raid suits in the flashback, but Niji definitely wasn't using one here.

    They're in their formal attire for the wedding, but he's still able to use electricity.

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    Suit, No Suit, Suit

    It absolutely makes no sense for the power being not from the suits.

    "There will be an answer, let it be."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhenja View Post
    I don't think they did. The only thing they showed as kids, were their superhuman strength.
    Their other abilities comes from the suits.
    But Reiju is stated as genetic... so why should be Ichiji and Co be different

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhenja View Post
    https://abload.de/img/one-piece-82595894rj0t.jpg

    Suit, No Suit, Suit

    It absolutely makes no sense for the power being not from the suits.
    That is obviously not a raid suit...that's just their regular clothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhenja View Post
    What?
    They have their suits on. In both examples.
    No, they have on Pajamas. And in that scene it is highlighted that their DNA is showing superhuman traits
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    Part of me is sad we didn't got the rumored poison-sucking moth zoan. But a bigger part of me is pleased a fruit I would like so much didn't end up with a Vinsmoke.

    Both and every other part of me is still grieving the fact Morgans is not from a bird race but just a bird zoan, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ea77 View Post
    That is obviously not a raid suit...that's just their regular clothing.
    To be fair... it is still strange that they have their raid suits belts on while not at the wedding where they have to put them off...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kishido View Post
    To be fair... it is still strange that they have their raid suits belts on while not at the wedding where they have to put them off...
    It's just a regular belt with their Germa design on it. Its a raid suit, not a raid belt. At the wedding, we didn't see their belts because they wore jackets covering them

    https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/one-piece-2/en/0/859/page/15

    Niji has a similar looking belt at the wedding
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    Quote Originally Posted by ea77 View Post
    It's just a regular belt with their Germa design on it. Its a raid suit, not a raid belt. At the wedding, we didn't see their belts because they wore jackets covering them

    https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/one-piece-2/en/0/859/page/15

    Niji has a similar looking belt at the wedding
    Ahh ok so my mystery about Sanji remains

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    First of all, the comic about Sora and Germa is older than Sanji and his siblings. Law recognized Stealth Black immediately.
    Which means, the Germa had the powers in the comic.
    If it was a genetic thing than why didn't Judge, who can clone people, didn't put those power in his whole army?
    So since those powers are a genetic thing and were around for decates or even longer, they must be inhereted, right?
    Does it work like Shirahoshi's Poseidon power or what? And if so, can it only be inhereted if you have 4 or 5 children?
    If you don't have a certain amout of children does this mean nobody gets any power?

    Makes no sense at all.

    We had a demonstration. Sanji put on his suit and was able to turn invisible. Clearly, the power to turn invisible is suit related.
    His brothers have the same suits and all of a sudden their powers are not suit related. Because how can they, if they use their powers at home and aren't wearing their whole suit.
    It's impossible that the belt holds the power and the rest of the suits is just like armor or like the boots are responsible for floating. It's impossible that different parts of the suits are responsible for the different tasks.
    And it must also be impossible to change the design of the suits, I guess Sanji has to live with it then and Franky and Usopp
    can't do anything about it.
    Why was Reijus suit reacting to the poison that she was sucking out of Luffy, hmm weird.

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    According to this timeline, Germa wasn't a science kingdom until Judge made it so, so I'm honestly confused on how this works with the comic strips. It's possible they weren't always power ranger-like in the strips or something.
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    1004 Vinsmoke Judge
    First Appearance: vol 83 chapter 832
    Epithet: “Garuda”
    Fruit:
    Haki:
    Race: Royal
    Germa Kingdom/ King
    Germa 66/ supreme commander
    【Profile】
    Gender: male
    Ship: Saint German
    Birthday: May 12
    Age: 56
    Height: 2.72m
    Blood Type: S
    Birthplace: “North Blue” Germa Kingdom
    Favorite food: tomato pasta with lobster
    【History】
    Before??: left his country and joined a foreign illegal research team
    Before??: Even after the research team disbanded, he continues his research on “Lineage Factor”
    Before??: Became the King of Germa, and made it into a kingdom of science
    Before??: defeated the 4 kings of “North Blue”
    Before24: Reiju was born
    Before21: Ichiji, Niji, Sanji, and Yonji were born
    Before??: His wife, Sora, passed away
    Before00: His plan to have a friendly relationship with Big Mom through political marriage fails
    But Reiju's card straight up says her power is genetic. Not only that, but by the manipulation of the Lineage Factor, which just so happens to be the thing Judge was researching. The suits may enhance their powers, but not necessarily be their source.

    0988 Vinsmoke Reiju
    First Appearance: vol 82 chapter 826
    Epithet:
    Fruit:
    Haki:
    Race: Modified Human/Royal
    First daughter of Vinsmoke family
    Germa 66/ Poison Pink
    【Profile】
    Gender: female
    Ship: Saint German
    Birthday: November 30
    Age: 24
    Height: 1.73m
    Blood Type: F
    Birthplace: “North Blue” Germa Kingdom
    Favorite foods: Armored Stonefish venom(from chapter 825), apple
    “As the first modified human created from the manipulation of Lineage Factor, she possesses a superhuman body, and idiosyncratic constitution that enables her to generate and absorb poison.”
    And we know Judge wants his children specifically to be powerful

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    Maybe the original Germa 66 were Vinsmoke who drew their powers from Devil Fruits and dressed like power rangers.

    Skip to current days, Judge decided to bring the Germa nation back to their glory days. Among other things, that included remaking the original Germa 66 using his own kids and replicating the original abilities through the use of genetic manipulation and the suits (that look just like the original uniforms, but are enhanced by his technology).

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    They are powerful.
    They have superhuman physical strength, an exoskeleton and don't fear anything.

    He modified them to win wars. If the powers are the result of this modification, then Judge basically created devil fruit users without any side effects.
    He can create clones... wants to win wars... he put devil fruit powers into humans, without side effects...

    Make 1000000 clones with those powers, raid the WG, take control, make more clones, wipe out everyone who opposes you, rule the world as you like.

    "There will be an answer, let it be."

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    Couldn't you say the same about the raid suits though? Why not mass-produce them and give them to the clones and then do all that? They'd still be basically DFs without the drawbacks.

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    Yes, but then you have twice the effort, you need to make the clones and the suits.
    You can't use ordinary people, you have to use clones because they are emotionless and obey every order.

    If it's genetic then i need a really good explanation for the timeline and comic strips.

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    I don’t know why people choose to underestimate Judge as a scientist.

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    For those complaining about bounties, remember, they only count for what the government knows, and they haven't been a good measurement of anything since Alabasta

    Blackbeard has a bounty of 0 when he became a warlord, and Hancock, Crocodile and Buggy all had bounties of under 100 million. (Buggy's rightly so, but now they're estimating him much higher than he deserves) In Impel Down, despite Luffy having a 300 million bounty, he was thrown into level 5 instead of the really dangerous guys in level 6... which included Crocodile and Jinbe who both had lower bounties than Luffy. Chopper still has a harmless joke bounty and Sanji went without one for a long time.

    Bounties are a guide, not a final analysis power level.
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    While I would agree that Daifuku and Oven's bounties should be a hundred or two higher, I wouldn't undersell Tamago and Pekoms. Not much reason to think Tamago is significantly weaker than them and Pekoms could have received all or part of his bounty from Nox pirate activities



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