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    I think its safe to say that, no. Most Americans have ZERO idea that there were others helping fight ISIS or what they were called. Or that ISIS is even still a thing for that matter. Or that a Muslim is more than a terrorist group. Or what the difference is between a suuni, a shiite, a sufi, and a shia. Heck, they probably don't understand whats going on with Israel and Gaza conflict, and that's been going for fifty years.

    They can't even get past brown people being in America, you think they care about or know anything about brown people in a country they can't even find on a map? Those child concentration camps are still up right now because the country isn't outraged enough at even that.

    U.S. Soldiers are the only soldiers. AMerica is great. We won Vietnam. Trump is great for some reason. Etc.

    People don't even know what goes on in their own country, they really have no idea what goes on in others. Look at how many WEEKS it took for there to be news that the rainforest was on fire. (And that's still happening btw.)
    So basically it's like this:

    AVERAGE AMERICAN NEWS ANCHOR: "A powerful tidal wave in Kuala Lampur has killed 120 people."
    AVERAGE AMERICAN VIEWER: ".........................................my butt itches."

    You know, this begs the question: What exactly are people discussing/complaining/questioning about then if they can't be bothered to look further into the issue that is of concern to them? I just find such behavior like that to be counter productive.

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    I feel comforted by Trumps calm assesment that the fall out will only affect the middle east and in extension Europe once the IS terrorists get freed. We had a good run America, but i guess this is the way things are now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaba Kaba Fruit View Post
    So basically it's like this:

    AVERAGE AMERICAN NEWS ANCHOR: "A powerful tidal wave in Kuala Lampur has killed 120 people."
    AVERAGE AMERICAN VIEWER: ".........................................my butt itches."
    Pretty much. Expecting most americans to know whats going on in their own backyard is expecting a lot. To expect them to have actually put any effort or thought into politics or people in other countries? Just doesn't happen. If it did younger people would vote more.

    You know, this begs the question: What exactly are people discussing/complaining/questioning about then if they can't be bothered to look further into the issue that is of concern to them? I just find such behavior like that to be counter productive.
    Depends on the particular brand of news they watch, if they watch any at all.
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    https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2019/10/11/day-995/

    Day 995: "Repugnant to the American Dream."

    1/ Trump lost his appeal to stop a House subpoena requiring him to turn over his tax documents to investigators. The 2-1 ruling from the U.S. Court of Appeals in D.C. upheld a lower court ruling that required Trump's longtime accountant Mazars USA to turn over eight years of Trump's personal tax returns. The judges ruled that the courts "lack the power to invalidate a duly authorized congressional subpoena merely because it might have been 'better [if]…the full House' had specifically authorized or issued it." Courts, the ruling continues, don't get a say in how each chamber conducts itself unless Congress "adopts a rule that offends the Constitution." The case is the first major dispute between Trump and the House to have reached the appeals court level – one level below the Supreme Court. (New York Times / Washington Post / Associated Press / Politico / BuzzFeed News / CNN / CNBC / Axios / Bloomberg)
    2/ A federal judge blocked the Trump administration from enforcing the "public charge" rule, which would've made it easier to reject green card and visa applications from immigrants whom the government determines are or might become a financial "burden" on U.S. taxpayers. U.S. District Court Judge George Daniels in Manhattan issued a nationwide preliminary injunction against the rule days before it was set to take effect on Oct. 15. Daniels said the government failed to explain why it was changing the definition of a "public charge" or why the change was needed. Daniels said the rule is "simply a new agency policy of exclusion in search of a justification," calling it "repugnant to the American Dream." (New York Times / The Hill / NPR / CBS News)
    3/ A federal judge ruled that Trump's national emergency declaration to fund construction of his border wall is unlawful. U.S. District Court Judge David Briones in Texas agreed with the complainants, who argued that the declaration doesn't qualify as an "emergency" under the definition in the National Emergencies Act. They also argued that Trump overstepped his authority by issuing the declaration in order to gain access to additional funding for the wall from the military, even though his administration already received $1.375 billion in funding from Congress. Briones asked complainants to propose the scope for a preliminary injunction against the declaration. (CNN / New York Post / The Hill)
    4/ Former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch told lawmakers that Trump personally pressured the State Department to have her ousted from her position. Yovanovitch defied Trump’s ban on cooperating with the House impeachment inquiry and spoke to Congress during a closed-door deposition. She said she was "abruptly" recalled in May and told the president had lost confidence in her. Yovanovitch said she'd done nothing to deserve her dismissal and that she was confused when Trump "chose to remove an ambassador based, as best as I can tell, on unfounded and false claims by people with clearly questionable motives," referring to Giuliani and a group of former Ukrainian officials who saw her as a political and financial threat to their interests. (Associated Press / Washington Post / New York Times)
    • More whistleblowers have come forward to speak with House Democrats' impeachment inquiry. Two congressional sources say these new whistleblowers were emboldened by the actions of the original intelligence community whistleblower who raised concerns about Trump's dealings regarding Ukraine. Congressional investigators are currently vetting the new whistleblowers' credibility. No information is currently available about the departments or areas of government from which these new whistleblowers originated or what they've said. (Daily Beast)
    • At least four national security officials raised alarms about Ukraine policy before and after Trump's call with Ukrainian President Zelensky. The nature and timing of the previously undisclosed discussions with National Security Council legal adviser John Eisenberg indicate that officials were delivering warnings through official White House channels earlier than previously understood. (Washington Post)
    • The White House accidentally sent Democrats a list of talking points related to Yovanovitch’s deposition, the second time in a month that Trump administration officials have accidentally sent Ukraine-related talking points to Democrats. (The Hill / The Week)
    5/ Giuliani's business relationship with the two men accused of running an illegal campaign finance scheme is the subject of an ongoing criminal investigation. The investigation by federal authorities in New York became public after Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were arrested while attempting to flee the U.S. yesterday and named as witnesses in the House's impeachment inquiry into Trump. Parnas has also been working for the legal team of Dmytro Firtash, a Ukrainian oligarch who's currently facing bribery charges in the U.S. Both Parnas and Fruman had worked in an unspecified capacity for Firtash before Parnas joined the Ukrainian’s legal team. (ABC News / New York Times / Vanity Fair / Reuters)
    • 📌 Day 994: Two men who worked with Giuliani to find damaging information about Biden and his son have been charged with conspiring to violate campaign finance laws that prohibit foreign nationals from contributing to U.S. campaigns. Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman are two key subjects in the House's impeachment inquiry. They were indicted and accused of making "secret agreements" to hide the fact that they were laundering foreign money into U.S. campaigns through a range of corporate identities by using "straw donors" to make the contributions. The indictment alleges that on one occasion, they lobbied a then-sitting member of Congress at the request of "one or more Ukrainian officials." (BuzzFeed News / Washington Post / ABC News / New York Times / Reuters / Associated Press / NBC News)
    6/ Turkey accidentally attacked a contingent of U.S. Special Forces in northern Syria during its ongoing bombing campaign against U.S.-allied Kurdish militias in the region. U.S. troops operating in the majority-Kurdish city of Kobani were bombarded by Turkish artillery fire. The Turkish Defense Ministry denied that its military intentionally targeted U.S. forces. A senior Pentagon official later confirmed the incident, saying Turkish forces should have precise knowledge of American positions. No injuries have been reported. (Newsweek / Yahoo! News)
    7/ Trump is sending thousands of U.S. troops to protect Saudi Arabia's oil fields days after withdrawing U.S. troops and allowing Turkey to attack U.S.-allied Kurdish forces. The U.S., European, and Saudi Arabian governments blame Iran for a September attack on Saudi oil facilities, but Tehran insists they had nothing to do with it. Defense Secretary Mark Esper announced the deployment of 3,000 service members, two fighter squadrons, one air expeditionary wing, two Patriot Missile batteries, and one THAD missile defense system to protect the facilities. While plans for the deployment were first announced in Sept. shortly after the attack, they included "modest" reinforcements rather than the "thousands" announced today. (NBC News)

    Notables.

    1. Trump's former top aide on Russia and Europe will give testimony about Giuliani and E.U. ambassador Gordon Sondland next week. Fiona Hill will testify about how Giuliani and Sondland circumvented the National Security Council and standard White House protocols in order to pursue a shadow policy on Ukraine. The Trump administration is expected to attempt to prevent her from testifying, a key test for whether congressional committees pursuing an impeachment inquiry can obtain testimony from other former officials who have left the administration. (NBC News)
    2. A senior adviser to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo resigned amid rising dissatisfaction and plummeting morale inside the State Department over Pompeo’s failure to support personnel who have become ensnared in the Ukraine controversy. McKinley was closely involved in the Trump administration's policy on Venezuela, Mexico, Southeast Asia, and Afghanistan. (Washington Post)
    3. Shepard Smith announced that he is stepping down as lead news anchor and leaving Fox News. Smith seems to have signed a non-compete agreement. "Under our agreement, I won't be reporting elsewhere, at least in the near feature," he said. (CNN Business / New York Times)
    4. Trump said the U.S. has come to a "very substantial phase one deal" with China. "Phase two will start almost immediately" after the first phase is signed, Trump said while standing alongside Chinese Vice Premier Liu He in the Oval Office. (CNBC)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby
    Pretty much. Expecting most americans to know whats going on in their own backyard is expecting a lot. To expect them to have actually put any effort or thought into politics or people in other countries? Just doesn't happen. If it did younger people would vote more.
    That legitimately needs to change if we're ever going to have functional government. The closest thing I can think of to that accord is "Rock the Vote" but even that may be stretching things in this day and age.
    Depends on the particular brand of news they watch, if they watch any at all.
    I think they do but mostly pay attention to the general details rather than the specifics.

    And this is precisely why the American people are not entitled to a democracy, despite what they've been through in their history.
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    The Pentagon chief says he will cooperate with the impeachment probe:
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/pentagon-...?.tsrc=fauxdal

    Mwahaha.

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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/3975582002

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    That....

    Please tell me that can't be real!

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    That statement is an insult to elementary schoolers.

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    Day 1000: Meltdown.

    1/ The White House is conducting its own investigation into why a rough transcript of Trump's July 25 call with Ukrainian President Zelensky was placed into a secret server for secure storage. Trump's advisers and White House lawyers began the fact-finding review to find out why deputy White House counsel, John Eisenberg, placed the rough transcript of the call in a computer system typically reserved for the country's most closely guarded secrets. Eisenberg has said he limited access to the transcript over concerns about leaks. It is unclear who asked for or initiated the review, though acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney has encouraged it and his aids are helping with it. Some officials fear the review is intended to assign blame for the impeachment inquiry. (New York Times)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/15/u...w-ukraine.html

    2/ Mick Mulvaney put Gordon Sondland, Kurt Volker, and Energy Secretary Rick Perry in charge of managing the U.S.-Ukraine relationship instead of diplomats at the National Security Council and the State Department. The State Department's Ukraine expert, George Kent, testified during a closed-door hearing before the House Intelligence, Foreign Affairs, and Oversight committees that Mulvaney was responsible for stripping control of the country's relationship with Ukraine from those who had the most expertise. Kent also told lawmakers that he had been told by a supervisor to lie low after he raised complaints about Rudy Giuliani's efforts to undermine U.S. foreign policy in Ukraine. Current and former officials said Mulvaney met frequently with Sondland and that details of their discussions were kept from then-National Security Adviser John Bolton and other officials who were raising internal concerns about the hidden Ukraine agenda. Mulvaney was also the one who, at Trump's direction, placed a hold on nearly $400 million in aid to Ukraine leading up to Trump's July 25 phone call to pressure Zelensky to pursue Giuliani’s agenda against the Bidens. (Washington Post / CNN)

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/15/p...ony/index.html

    A former top White House foreign policy adviser told House impeachment investigators that she viewed Sondland as a national security risk because he was so unprepared for his job. Fiona Hill did not accuse Sondland of acting maliciously or intentionally putting the country at risk, but described him as and Trump donor-turned-ambassador. (New York Times)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/16/u...ence-risk.html

    Michael McKinley, who resigned as a senior adviser to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, testified that he quit because career diplomats had been sidelined on Ukraine. During his closed-door deposition to the House Intelligence Committee, McKinley testified about how experts had been sidelined as Trump pursued his own agenda on Ukraine. McKinley also testified that he repeatedly asked Pompeo for a show of support for the Marie Yovanovitch after she was abruptly removed from her post following a monthslong push by Trump to get rid of her on the basis of "unfounded and false claims by people with clearly questionable motives." Pompeo was silent. (New York Times / CNN)

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/16/p...tch/index.html

    House Democrats requested that Acting U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Bill Taylor appear for a deposition in the investigation into Trump's alleged misconduct involving Ukraine. (NBC News)

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tru...ition-n1067536

    3/ The Federal investigation into Giuliani's business dealings with two men indicted last week on campaign finance charges in Ukraine includes a counterintelligence probe, suggesting that FBI and criminal prosecutors in Manhattan are looking at a broader set of issues. The counterintelligence probe relates to whether a foreign influence operation was trying to take advantage of Giuliani's business ties in Ukraine and with wealthy foreigners to make inroads with the White House. New York attorney Kenneth McCallion said he was approached by federal investigators earlier this year about Giuliani's connections to Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, the two men indicted last week on campaign finance violation charges. McCallion said he was approached this spring about Giuliani's business dealings again by FBI counterintelligence agents. (USA Today / CNN)

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...on/3986079002/

    A Giuliani business associated was arrested and charged with participating in a scheme to use foreign money to build political support for a recreational marijuana business. David Correia is the fourth defendant arrested in a campaign finance case involving Giuliani. The business relationship between Giuliani and Correia, Lev Parnas, and Igor Fruman is the subject of an ongoing criminal investigation being conducted by federal authorities in New York. (ABC News / New York 4 / Washington Post)

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/4th-...ry?id=66319648

    A grand jury issued a subpoena seeking documents from former Rep. Pete Sessions about his dealings with Giuliani. The subpoena seeks documents related to Giuliani's business dealings with Ukraine, his involvement in efforts to remove the U.S. ambassador in Kiev, and any interactions between Sessions, Giuliani and the four Giuliani associates who were indicted last week on campaign finance and conspiracy accounts. (Wall Street Journal / Washington Post)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...4aa_story.html

    Giuliani privately urged Trump in 2017 to extradite a Turkish cleric living in exile in the U.S., a top priority of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Before he would go on to become Trump's personal attorney, Giuliani repeatedly told Trump that the U.S. should eject Fethullah Gulen from the country. Gulen is a permanent U.S. resident who lives in Pennsylvania, and Turkey has demanded that the U.S. turn him over to Turkey to face charges of plotting a 2016 coup attempt against Erdogan. Gulen denies any involvement in the coup attempt. (Washington Post)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...67e_story.html

    4/ The House voted to condemn Trump's withdrawal of American forces from northern Syria. The nonbinding resolution passed 354 to 60 – shortly before a bipartisan group of congressional leaders were scheduled to meet with Trump to discuss the incursion, and hours before Pence and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo were to travel to Turkey to call for a cease-fire. Trump, meanwhile, attempted to distance himself from the ongoing conflict "between Turkey and Syria" and his decision to withdraw U.S. troops from the region, saying that Turkey and the Kurds are fighting "over land that has nothing to do with us." (New York Times / Washington Post / NBC News / CNN)

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...roops-n1067586

    Democratic leaders walked out of a White House meeting with Trump after he had a "meltdown" and called House Speaker Nancy Pelosi "third-grade politician." The White House called the meeting to discuss Trump's decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria, which came shortly after House Democrats and Republicans voted to oppose his action and urge the administration to contain the fallout from Turkey's incursion into Syria. (NBC News / Wall Street Journal / New York Times)

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...tdown-n1067716

    Trump sent a letter to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan last week urging him to make a deal with the Kurds, saying: "Don't be a tough guy. Don't be a fool!" Trump also warned Erdogan not to "let the world down" by invading northern Syria. The letter was sent on October 9th – three days after the two had spoken by phone and the same day the Turkish incursion into Syria began. (CNN / Vox / CNBC / New York Times / NBC News)

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/16/trum...offensive.html

    Turkey dismissed a U.S. call for an immediate ceasefire in northeast Syria. (Wall Street Journal)

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/turkey-...ia-11571219662

    5/ Trump vetoed a bill that would have ended his national emergency declaration at the southern U.S. border. The veto, which was expected, sends the bill back to Congress, where it is unlikely to meet the two-thirds majority needed to override Trump's veto. Trump vetoed a nearly identical version of the bill seven months ago. (New York Times / Reuters)

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1WV06P

    6/ The Trump administration has hired a lobbyist for every 14 political appointments made. The 281 lobbyists working in the administration is four times more than the Obama administration had six years into office. And former lobbyists serving Trump are often involved in regulating the industries they worked for. (ProPublica)

    https://www.propublica.org/article/w...administration

    7/ Trump's businesses reported some expenses, profits, and occupancy figures for two Manhattan buildings to make them appear more profitable to the lender — and less profitable to the tax authorities. (ProPublica)

    https://www.propublica.org/article/t...nconsistencies

    poll/ 52% of Americans say Trump should be impeached and removed from office, while 46% say he should not be. (Gallup)

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/267491/...ing-trump.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaba Kaba Fruit View Post
    That....

    Please tell me that can't be real!
    The White House has said that it's real though I have my doubts that it was sent when they claim. Though, if it was, it really makes Trump look even worse since it means that he tried to bluff Erdogan like this and failed miserably.
    Complicating things since 2009.

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    I guess he at least tried, which is something for him.

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    Trumpy apparently had his meltdown because Pelosi just flipped his super special tough guy big boy letter over and didn't read it.

    The dumbass even posted a picture supposedly showing Nancy having a meltdown that is so unflattering to him that Pelosi is currently using it as the header image for her Twitter account.
    Complicating things since 2009.

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    We are now officially in the United States of kindergarten, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiq View Post
    Trumpy apparently had his meltdown because Pelosi just flipped his super special tough guy big boy letter over and didn't read it.

    The dumbass even posted a picture supposedly showing Nancy having a meltdown that is so unflattering to him that Pelosi is currently using it as the header image for her Twitter account.
    You gotta wonder how dumber worse can this possibly get.

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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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    DON'T BE A TOUGH GUY! DON'T BE A FOOL!!!

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    In other depressing news Elijah Cummings passed.
    House Oversight and Reform Committee Chairman and Maryland Rep. Elijah Cummings died at age 68 as a result of "complications concerning longstanding health challenges." Cummings hadn't taken part in a roll call vote since Sept. 11, failing to return for work after a medical procedure was only supposed to keep him away from Congress for a week. Cummings was a leading figure in the Trump impeachment inquiry. (Baltimore Sun / WBAL-TV / New York Times / NBC News / Washington Post / CBS News / Associated Press)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgamer82 View Post
    House Oversight and Reform Committee Chairman and Maryland Rep. Elijah Cummings died at age 86 as a result of "complications concerning longstanding health challenges." Cummings hadn't taken part in a roll call vote since Sept. 11, failing to return for work after a medical procedure was only supposed to keep him away from Congress for a week. Cummings was a leading figure in the Trump impeachment inquiry. (Baltimore Sun / WBAL-TV / New York Times / NBC News / Washington Post / CBS News / Associated Press)

    https://www.baltimoresun.com/politic...zga-story.html
    He was only 68, actually. Definitely premature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwok View Post
    He was only 68, actually. Definitely premature.
    Corrected it. Hopefully What the Fuck Just Happened Today will correct it before their final posting today.

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